Curse

Golgotha · Jun 23, 2005, 07:46 PM // 19:46

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Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi

The only thing that video proved is that some monks are jerks and don't know how to play. Noob? You're playing with a PUG party in the UW, and your poor healing skills and skill selections have resulted in the entire party having a DP of -60% (I assume) - it's so bad that you've decided it's easier to just go around and rez people instead of healing them?

Who is the noob in the video again?

/me shakes his head in wonder.

It's actually Fissure. The noob part of the video is the decided tactic agreed upon by the Warriors. Banshees hit hard - not to mention the two entire mob of skeles, and in this particular quest if you are in the aggro zone of the Lord (the phantom that doesn't move), all mobs on that side of the bridge become aggro. By sitting on the bridge and aggro'ing what turns out to be three seperate mobs because of this supposed "line of defense" method was idiotic beyond compare. The only way to effectively clear the bridge is to pull the mobs, and to sit on it is suicide.

Now the creator of this video is no better than the Warriors who came up with the strategy since he didn't speak against it at all, and only slightly questioned it. We won't even have to mention his spectator attitude. Your entire party is being ambushed, and your party didn't even clear a large enough area behind yourselves to have an effective escape route, and you decide to not even cast a single spell. With Aegis on your skillbar and almost all melee enemies, you didn't even give them a chance - not that they would've survived, but at least you wouldn't have looked like a complete moron.

Edit: Why would you need that many Warriors anyhow? Not one ranger, primary or secondary? You guys weren't really planning ahead.

NightStalkerXT · Jun 23, 2005, 09:45 PM // 21:45

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Originally Posted by Ollj

Vengenance has half the casting (!) time and longer reloading time, apart from that just like Resurrection.
It makes Your teammates like Bone Horrors and shout "WTF" a lot!!!

LMAO

thats hilarious!! I will have to try that out just to get the WTF's!?!

BTW enjoyed the vid. Nice last line hehe!

Messiah Eleventh · Jun 28, 2005, 12:39 AM // 00:39

Heh, I HATE people like this, I mean, for the love of God! They think they're level 20 back in Old Ascalon, sorry if I sound bitter, lol, but I play a Ranger/Mesmer and it's a 100% backlane life, so it really gets to me when idiots who think they're invincible charge straight into battle and then while they sit there pointlessly hacking at monsters that are being healed, the monks, archers, etc all die because the damn retards couldn't have been bothered to protect their backliners or even think of a decent strategy. Elona's Reach anyone?

ZhaoYun · Jun 28, 2005, 01:24 AM // 01:24

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Originally Posted by Mr_Intangible

I get groups like that all the time that I wrote a disclaimer (No joke)! DISCLAIMER: Monk is not responsible for deaths occured on this quest/or mission. When I say rest everyone in party must stop. I will heal were healing is needed.
Accept or Decline

I really do this now

its sad.

Class quote, I am a E/Mo and I am going to use this everytime any team invite me, of course with your permission.

Mo/R9 · Jun 28, 2005, 01:29 AM // 01:29

I myself play a primary monk and most of the time, my team doesn't even consider the fact that I need energy. Even when I Ctrl + click my energy bar a few times to say I only have 1 out of 45 energy, they still rush off with me only having that much. Then, when they all die, they go "WTF YOU SUCK HEALRRE U MADE US LOZE MISH!!!" Then, after I rez them all, I get a shower of "tkz for the rez man".

Now what I do is say something like "you aren't getting heals until you stop running off namehere" for anyone who runs off by themselves.

I just hate it when I am the only monk in a party of 6 and they either a) can't stay out of the poisonous swamps in kryta, b) can't wait for energy regen., c) rush off in 6 different directions all thinking that I will follow them. [/rant]

thesecondrei · Jun 28, 2005, 03:52 AM // 03:52

I only tend to blame healers when they just stand there trying to tank and attempt to heal the party when we are near death...but other than that, I blame alesia

coldslammer · Jun 28, 2005, 07:28 AM // 07:28

i have to reply to this thread, and say how really funny that clip is, and i thought i had bad experiences with n00bs, this is the worst one yet, "ok now form up a war line", this one has to be in the guildwar book of quotes.

Anyway n00bs aside, monks do play an important roll, its very rare to find a good monk who knows how to do the job properly, i agree most monks do get verbal abuse if they dont heal someone at all and cause that person a 30% DP, and ive even ran into some monks who if they even get the slightest hint of abuse, they either say "i wont heal you anymore", or disconnect, i met one the other day who was new to a chaos axe, and wanted to see it, when i busy fighting foes, this person said that i wouldnt be healed anymore if i keep ignoring him/her, i actially died during that time because the monk wasnt healing our players, and too busy chatting being stubborn wanting there own way or the highway :/

And now that i think of it more, monks ARE stubborn.

I also met a monk today weilding a sword trying to be a warrior and attack, when i asked why arnt you healing, the monk replied i dont heal, i'm a warrior.

Anyway how it comes down to is, if the monk does well it gets praised ALOT
if the monk does bad, and fails to heal, causing mass death penalties, then the monk gets abuse.

and thats what it boils down to.

DrSLUGFly · Jun 28, 2005, 08:55 AM // 08:55

I"ve recently started with monkery and I absolutely love it from a role play perspective... but at level 11, Nolani academy and a total of about an hour of PvP I'm pretty certain that I will be the monk ONLY for henchmen and my closely knit guild... People are so abusive to monks... When I'm playing my ele, I'm very grateful for any healing I receive and when I die, you know what I think? "What did I do wrong? I'm dead!" I, ME, MYSELF am the person who is dead, who died,who received too much pain and fell over... I can't blame someone else and now especially after monking a bit in PvP I despise people immediately saying "it's your job to heal" "res me" "res me" "res me" "do your job monk"! Monk's got a name dammit! And do your job and protect the monk! "Can't when I got 2 warriors on me" and I'm supposed to heal when I got a warrior on myself and I'm struggling to stay alive???

sorry... I understand the plight of monks now, and I'm not even in Yak's Bend yet. I understand why monks feel fit to charge a group for services now. I understand why it's so hard to get monks in a group in later levels. I would drop a group who was being abusive in a second. I would never threaten to drop because of something childish like 'let me see that axe', but dropping for abuse, of course... who wants to be abused while being the only person on the team who gives life instead of taking it? Who wants to be abused regardless of the role played... nobody.

Abuse does not make a mission suddenly turn good and it doesn't make someone a better player. I breezed through the Ring of Fire mission 5 times (once with henchies and 4 times as an escort) and all but the last one where we had two droppers it was a cakewalk, because right away I directed everyone, they listened and when people made mistakes I laughed at them and played. I /cheered everytime we did something good, I encouraged and applauded everyone's successes. At the end of the mission a couple people thanked me for taking them through, but it was totally a team effort, I was just the map and the cheerleader. Because of positive encouragement from all players, we all, myself especially, came out of the mission a better player.

thaumaturge · Jun 28, 2005, 09:38 AM // 09:38

I've just completed the game as a healer, last mission with the lina-the bot-who-likes-to take-all-my-healing-energy-by-rushing-in was not too bad. One thing that I'm worried about is the responsibilty of the monk. If you cast the wrong spell or do not time a spell correctly it could result in the death of a party member. To be honest whenever somebody dies in a mission when I am healing I curse at myself for being a sucky monk. I apologise to the players often and it upsets me

I have to say that the game is far too reliant on monks, I can't really think of any other class that if missing would result in death of party members so quickly. Also most certainly it gives me a new love for monks and gives me the watchful eye on the party bar to see how everyone is going.

There are really only a few things I dislike when being a monk
-people that don't wait up and/or pull huge groups for kicks
-low armor characters who for some reason just stand and take damage, sure if you have some good armor spells go for it, but I can see the health bar drop fast and it would be better for me to not heal you so the party survives. I'm not even going to mention the necromancer that decided it be cool to take off all his armor in abbadons mission

-Mursatt towers, please please please please come back to get healed. I can't stress this enough. They suck energy from me if I enter the zone quickly for a heal which makes me far less effective

btw nice movie lol

EmperorTippy · Jun 28, 2005, 12:17 PM // 12:17

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Originally Posted by Mimu

Unfortunately I have had many experiences with players like that.

(The suicidal monk tanks are the worst.

)

Funny movie though.

Not all monk tanks are suicidal. My monk tank with 10 HP is practialy unkillable.

EmperorTippy · Jun 28, 2005, 12:42 PM // 12:42

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Originally Posted by NightStalkerXT

LMAO

thats hilarious!! I will have to try that out just to get the WTF's!?!

BTW enjoyed the vid. Nice last line hehe!

No don't use Vengance use Unyielding Aura its even better. Use the leash (Unyielding Aura). I drop W/Mos when ever they start a litte free thinking (as them thinking usally leads to death). This also reduces DP as you can turn it off right before they die for no added DP.

ozy6205 · Jun 28, 2005, 01:55 PM // 13:55

I have a 20 Mo/W who gets so frustrated with people running into battle when I have said (and repeated) that "I am out of energy - WAIT"

I used nothing but henchmen to get to level 20, but once I hit ascension, they arent good enough to continue with. Therefore, I am now having to group with real people, and the frustration level has skyrocketed...

Old Dood · Jun 28, 2005, 02:06 PM // 14:06

ozy6205,

This is what I do to "Those People". I stay back...let them DIE. Then they have to listen to you. Since you are a Warrior/Monk like me bring "Rebirth" with you. Before you Rez them get them to understand your point. If they are still jerks...warp out and start again. Also within these PUGs there is usually a couple people that think like you do. Whisper to them during the Mission/Quest. Build up a relationship. They will work with you on other missions/quests. This is how I have developed most of my network of good reliable friends to enjoy the game with.

EmperorTippy · Jun 28, 2005, 02:18 PM // 14:18

No don't use rebirth use Unyielding Aura if they continue with their actions they die simple as that. They gain no DP either so you can res them in the middle of a mob and right before they die turn the spell off. No gained DP. Then have another monk use it again and he can finish off the group.

Feli · Jun 28, 2005, 02:41 PM // 14:41

That video just translated into a new Ignore List Entry. One less coc ky monk to have in your team

You're one of those people that will help the team by actually leaving it. It is the attitude which is your problem.

You're one of those reasons i nowadays ask for a CRAPPY Team, instead of the typical EXPERIENCED Team. Just because the "experienced" Teams will most assuredly have one of your companions in it. The teams that worked best i got when i asked for crappy players and newbie characters. People joined the team, but where not even close to being crappy. In fact they were decent. Just imagine a good player without the typical "I am superior" Attitude. Real fun to play with.

P.S.:
Ask for not so experienced people, they're probably the better players that are just fed up with the typical megalomaniac. And if they are not skilled, well... they joined your team as they accept themselves... unexperienced, thus stating the will to learn and adapt. Those are the people you can give some pointers what to do and what not to do. They will fail it now and then while learning it, but they most assuredly won't rush of into the crowd if you ask them friendly not to do.
The professional players just rush in, no matter the patrols, no matter the energy.

Old Dood · Jun 28, 2005, 05:22 PM // 17:22

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Originally Posted by EmperorTippy

No don't use rebirth use Unyielding Aura if they continue with their actions they die simple as that. They gain no DP either so you can res them in the middle of a mob and right before they die turn the spell off. No gained DP. Then have another monk use it again and he can finish off the group.

Yes that is a good spell, however it is an Elite one. I don't have that one yet. Also isn't that for a full fledge Monk? It depends on Divine Favor which W/Mo's do not have. I was speaking to him as a W/Mo to W/Mo.

ozy6205 · Jun 30, 2005, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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This is what I do to "Those People". I stay back...let them DIE. Then they have to listen to you. Since you are a Warrior/Monk like me bring "Rebirth

Actually, I said I was a MO/W - a primary monk.

I tell those people that they will NOT get healed if they pull and I have no energy (much good that it does, really)